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Andy Prime
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« on: 29, December 2008, 05:31:59 PM »

I have been playing around with this manouvre and just can't seem to get it right. Whilst flying a right rudder knife, I have been putting right aileron in to produce the snap but it just seems to rotate very lazy, where am I going wrong?

Any help appreciated,

Regards,

Andy.
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« Reply #1 on: 29, December 2008, 06:09:42 PM »

Hi Andy,

I have been playing with this manouvre also. I perform it using the Snap Roll condition => high aileron, low elevator, low rudder.

My aileron input during the Snap roll is the same as the input of rudder during KE, you need a slight bit of pitch movement so the elevator input should be kept minimal.

With the Integral this manouvre is easy to perfrom, with bigger giant scale models need a bit of reverse aileron on exit  to overcome the higher inertia.

My 2 cents hope you get more information from more experienced flyers.

Happy Holidays! Smiley

Nikos
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« Reply #2 on: 30, December 2008, 12:26:37 PM »

Hi Andy,

Do you fly the snap on the sticks or use a switch? If on the sticks, do you use a rate/flight condition?

You're flying it with right rudder and right aileron, so you're using up elevator (i.e. positive snap)? I've never seen it flown with a negative snap and I'm sure there's a good reason for that! Wink

I fly it on the sticks and use a flight condition. I operate the condition switch once already in knife edge, just before the snap. After the snap I throttle up a little, then switch out the rates, then roll to exit. To avoid any kick on rudder during the switch from one rate to another you'll either need to keep your rudder settings the same for normal and snap or play around with different expo's such that the rudder deflection does not change at the stick position used to hold knife edge.

Could be worth trying some or all of the following:

- different entry speed (maybe a little faster than you have tried, with less rudder to hold the knifedge)
- try keeping a little throttle on through the snap
- more aileron on your snap setting (however, I find this particular manouevre looks nicer if the rotation isn't too fast so don't go overboard.)
- maybe a bit more rudder deflection than you would perhaps use on a "normal snap"
- if you fly it on the sticks, be confident and move the sticks quickly during the snap
- whatever you do, you will need to throttle up after the snap to hold a controlled knife edge on exit

As with any snap, it'll be a combination of finding the right ail/elev/rudd deflections AND airspeed - this can only be done with lots of trial and error. Try and be methodical with your experimentation (one thing at a tiime and write down the outcome each time). Don't discount an option because you think it won't have the desired effect - sometimes you'll be surprised!

My first suggestion would be to try different entry speeds. Once you've found a speed that works well, you'll need to get this the same every time. The best way is to start your preparation for the manouevre early, i.e establish a "set" throttle position so that the model is already at a constant speed (avoid 'racing' in to the manouevre, then throttling off - it's more difficult to be consistent this way).

There is a lot going on in this manouevre, so if anybody else has some ideas please post them here!

(Oh and if your practicing this snap at this time of year Andy, an electrically heated transmitter mit must be the way to go!)

PS Needless to say we all practice this one higher than our normal baseline to begin with. Wink

Regards,
Richard.
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Andy Prime
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« Reply #3 on: 30, December 2008, 02:45:44 PM »

Hi Guy's and thanks for the replies!

Richard, I do "fly" the snap and have never used a switch for this manouvre. Your reply is really in depth and very much welcomed, I have not set a different "flight condition" for this manouvre but can see the need for one as you have suggested, makes a lot of sense. The entry speed you mention also rings some bell's, I'm currently flying into this manouvre quite slow and using more rudder than should be required due to the forward speed being so low, I'll try playing with this first and also set up a new flight condition on a switch with a rudder curve (point mix) so that I can set the deflection point to be the same as I switch through in readiness for the snap.

Once again many thanks for taking the time to reply guy's.

Happy new year to all,

Regards,

Andy.
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« Reply #4 on: 07, March 2010, 06:07:26 AM »

Very informative thread. As I also faced the lazy rotate while flying with the right rudder knife. Thanks for the guys who all have replied here. great thread in a great site  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: 08, March 2010, 07:00:33 AM »

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